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	<description>The murder victim? Your library assumptions. Suspects? It could have been any of us.</description>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2008/swings-and-roundabouts/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just ran into a post on the NYTimes bits blog that pointed me at the public data sets Amazon now offers access to.  
http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/
Thought it seemed relevant to this article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ran into a post on the NYTimes bits blog that pointed me at the public data sets Amazon now offers access to.<br />
<a href="http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/" rel="nofollow">http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/</a><br />
Thought it seemed relevant to this article.</p>
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		<title>By: camila alire</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2008/swings-and-roundabouts/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>camila alire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hilary --
Enjoyed reading your article.  As an academic library administrator, I always wanted us to make it easy for folks to use our resources -- particularly &quot;in their jammies&quot; at 2:00a.m. or whenever they needed the material. E-resources were and still are in demand. But with that came the commitment that our librarians were adequately trained to work with those resources and to help folks use those resources.  Additionally, these e-resources are not cheap, but I maintain that they do allow us to be more effective and efficient in serving our users.  

E-science appears to be another excellent resource to help us serve those users and not just in academic libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilary &#8211;<br />
Enjoyed reading your article.  As an academic library administrator, I always wanted us to make it easy for folks to use our resources &#8212; particularly &#8220;in their jammies&#8221; at 2:00a.m. or whenever they needed the material. E-resources were and still are in demand. But with that came the commitment that our librarians were adequately trained to work with those resources and to help folks use those resources.  Additionally, these e-resources are not cheap, but I maintain that they do allow us to be more effective and efficient in serving our users.  </p>
<p>E-science appears to be another excellent resource to help us serve those users and not just in academic libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bonfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bonfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a question I ask myself almost daily: &quot;If we started from scratch, but knowing what we know and with the amount of funding and the same workers we already have, would libraries look anything like they do now?&quot; 

The answer is obvious. Personally, I think we would operate far more cooperatively. Every item we catalog would be processed once and we would catalog significantly more material in house, especially serials and data sets. We would collect far more information and make it available with less limiting restrictions.

The fact that we aren&#039;t presently doing these things inhibits our ability to further E-science, which is a great example of why &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; libraries need to start asking tough questions.

What&#039;s clear from Hilary&#039;s article is that we&#039;re trapped by our assumptions about institutional boundaries and money, and by our understanding of the requests we hear from those we serve.

What people want is accurate information they can readily assimilate, and they&#039;re willing to pay a premium for it, though they prefer to buying in bulk (currently through tax and tuition dollars). The thing is, they don&#039;t care who provides their information, so long as they get it quickly and it&#039;s sufficiently trustworthy.

As for public libraries and E-science: of course we should support it. For one thing, it&#039;s intrinsically interesting. As librarians we can help our neighbors find out about the studies that may affect their lives or could enrich their understanding of the world. Public libraries could also serve as an ideal gateway for scientists to reach a large, valuable, and diverse group of volunteers. Citizen science is a great example; I think positive deviance is another. Certainly, there are multiple possibilities.

But that&#039;s a small part of a larger point. The distance between where we are and where we should be is huge. To cross that divide, to support contemporary uses for information, we&#039;re going to have to be willing to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question I ask myself almost daily: &#8220;If we started from scratch, but knowing what we know and with the amount of funding and the same workers we already have, would libraries look anything like they do now?&#8221; </p>
<p>The answer is obvious. Personally, I think we would operate far more cooperatively. Every item we catalog would be processed once and we would catalog significantly more material in house, especially serials and data sets. We would collect far more information and make it available with less limiting restrictions.</p>
<p>The fact that we aren&#8217;t presently doing these things inhibits our ability to further E-science, which is a great example of why <em>all</em> libraries need to start asking tough questions.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s clear from Hilary&#8217;s article is that we&#8217;re trapped by our assumptions about institutional boundaries and money, and by our understanding of the requests we hear from those we serve.</p>
<p>What people want is accurate information they can readily assimilate, and they&#8217;re willing to pay a premium for it, though they prefer to buying in bulk (currently through tax and tuition dollars). The thing is, they don&#8217;t care who provides their information, so long as they get it quickly and it&#8217;s sufficiently trustworthy.</p>
<p>As for public libraries and E-science: of course we should support it. For one thing, it&#8217;s intrinsically interesting. As librarians we can help our neighbors find out about the studies that may affect their lives or could enrich their understanding of the world. Public libraries could also serve as an ideal gateway for scientists to reach a large, valuable, and diverse group of volunteers. Citizen science is a great example; I think positive deviance is another. Certainly, there are multiple possibilities.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s a small part of a larger point. The distance between where we are and where we should be is huge. To cross that divide, to support contemporary uses for information, we&#8217;re going to have to be willing to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2008/swings-and-roundabouts/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ellie thanks- probably near impossible in big urban library systems but i bet quite doable in smaller libraries, right?

@Hilary citizen science... this is fascinating stuff.  I just wrote a &lt;a href=&quot;http://plablog.org/2008/11/a-question-and-maybe-an-answer-the-exploratorium-and-genre-x.html&quot; title=&quot;post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post connecting a friend at the Exploratorium w/ some public librarians doing interesting programming.  I wonder if citizen science programming might be a good way for the Exploratorium to reach the 18-35 demographic.  It sounds sensible to me...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ellie thanks- probably near impossible in big urban library systems but i bet quite doable in smaller libraries, right?</p>
<p>@Hilary citizen science&#8230; this is fascinating stuff.  I just wrote a <a href="http://plablog.org/2008/11/a-question-and-maybe-an-answer-the-exploratorium-and-genre-x.html" title="post" rel="nofollow">post connecting a friend at the Exploratorium w/ some public librarians doing interesting programming.  I wonder if citizen science programming might be a good way for the Exploratorium to reach the 18-35 demographic.  It sounds sensible to me&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nate: I love that idea!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nate: I love that idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jenny yep, I hear you.  Would be kind of neat if the public pcs could be used for some kind of distributed computing project at night while the public library is closed though...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jenny yep, I hear you.  Would be kind of neat if the public pcs could be used for some kind of distributed computing project at night while the public library is closed though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Parsons</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2008/swings-and-roundabouts/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nate: It would practically have to be academic-- or at least outside the realm of public libraries.  Public libraries by definition serve their communities and need to specialize themselves to those communities&#039; needs-- most of which are not going to include high-level research projects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nate: It would practically have to be academic&#8211; or at least outside the realm of public libraries.  Public libraries by definition serve their communities and need to specialize themselves to those communities&#8217; needs&#8211; most of which are not going to include high-level research projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Nate - thanks for your question and for reading the post.  My sense is that E-science seems more closely tied to academic libraries right now since that is where those researchers are situated (for the most part), but the tie-in to public libraries and school libraries is at the point where members of the wider community become participants in research (in the sciences, social sciences, humanities, etc.), see the return on investment of their tax dollars in scientific progress that impacts our daily lives, and enhancing educational opportunities.  

Much of scientific research depends on federal grant dollars which are generated from taxpayers.  The costs of generating the data that leads to progress are enormous, therefore finding ways to preserve that data and make it accessible to others to learn from and build upon becomes paramount.  The public education system is one area that benefits from these kinds of data.  Hands-on learning with students and members of the community taking an active role in contributing to and adding to research (&quot;citizen science&quot;) is a great instance where taxpayers can see a return on their investment. 

A couple of examples of where Citizen science has been used to advance research:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.galaxyzoo.org/Project.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Galaxy Zoo&lt;/a&gt; led by four major research universities is a project where citizens can help classify galaxies; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://ebird.org/content/ebird&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eBird&lt;/a&gt; which is a project initiated by Cornell Univ and the National Audubon Society where anyone can help study changes in how birds are distributed in North and Central America.

Just search your favorite search engine for &quot;citizen science&quot; for other examples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nate &#8211; thanks for your question and for reading the post.  My sense is that E-science seems more closely tied to academic libraries right now since that is where those researchers are situated (for the most part), but the tie-in to public libraries and school libraries is at the point where members of the wider community become participants in research (in the sciences, social sciences, humanities, etc.), see the return on investment of their tax dollars in scientific progress that impacts our daily lives, and enhancing educational opportunities.  </p>
<p>Much of scientific research depends on federal grant dollars which are generated from taxpayers.  The costs of generating the data that leads to progress are enormous, therefore finding ways to preserve that data and make it accessible to others to learn from and build upon becomes paramount.  The public education system is one area that benefits from these kinds of data.  Hands-on learning with students and members of the community taking an active role in contributing to and adding to research (&#8220;citizen science&#8221;) is a great instance where taxpayers can see a return on their investment. </p>
<p>A couple of examples of where Citizen science has been used to advance research:  <a href="http://www.galaxyzoo.org/Project.aspx" rel="nofollow">Galaxy Zoo</a> led by four major research universities is a project where citizens can help classify galaxies; and <a href="http://ebird.org/content/ebird" rel="nofollow">eBird</a> which is a project initiated by Cornell Univ and the National Audubon Society where anyone can help study changes in how birds are distributed in North and Central America.</p>
<p>Just search your favorite search engine for &#8220;citizen science&#8221; for other examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating post.  I&#039;m trying to decide what the public library looks like in an e-science landscape, or would you say this is about academia?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post.  I&#8217;m trying to decide what the public library looks like in an e-science landscape, or would you say this is about academia?</p>
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