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		<title>By: Steve McCann</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2009/social-proof-a-tool-for-determining-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve McCann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Emily, I think you&#039;re right about the EBay model of user ratings helping us decide levels of satisfaction. That&#039;s social proof at it&#039;s most elemental, imho. I don&#039;t know of any libraries that are doing it with data, but with images many are (or should be). A quick Google Image search brings up the following examples of Cialdini&#039;s &quot;powerful influence of similar others&quot;:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://guides.library.fullerton.edu/cas300/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smiling Subject Matter&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lib.vt.edu/services/branches/artarch/staff.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Something to pay attention to&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.materials.uoc.gr/en/general/library/library.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Physical research&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/courses/studying_picture4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Library website research&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/homerlibrary/140289884/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Busy public library&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libraries.iub.edu/ic&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Busy academic library&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://apps.carleton.edu/campus/photos/activities/?image_id=255501&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Library as place&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ecommons2.library.cornell.edu/web_archive/explore.cornell.edu/scenea749.html?scene=Sites%20and%20Landmarks&amp;stop=CU%20-%20SL%20-%20Libraries&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Really good &quot;library as place&quot;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Emily, I think you&#8217;re right about the EBay model of user ratings helping us decide levels of satisfaction. That&#8217;s social proof at it&#8217;s most elemental, imho. I don&#8217;t know of any libraries that are doing it with data, but with images many are (or should be). A quick Google Image search brings up the following examples of Cialdini&#8217;s &#8220;powerful influence of similar others&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://guides.library.fullerton.edu/cas300/" rel="nofollow">Smiling Subject Matter</a><br />
<a href="http://www.lib.vt.edu/services/branches/artarch/staff.html" rel="nofollow">Something to pay attention to</a><br />
<a href="http://www.materials.uoc.gr/en/general/library/library.html" rel="nofollow">Physical research</a><br />
<a href="http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/courses/studying_picture4.html" rel="nofollow">Library website research</a><br />
<a href="http://flickr.com/photos/homerlibrary/140289884/" rel="nofollow">Busy public library</a><br />
<a href="http://www.libraries.iub.edu/ic" rel="nofollow">Busy academic library</a><br />
<a href="http://apps.carleton.edu/campus/photos/activities/?image_id=255501" rel="nofollow">Library as place</a><br />
<a href="http://ecommons2.library.cornell.edu/web_archive/explore.cornell.edu/scenea749.html?scene=Sites%20and%20Landmarks&amp;stop=CU%20-%20SL%20-%20Libraries" rel="nofollow">Really good &#8220;library as place&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Emily Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2009/social-proof-a-tool-for-determining-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m coming to your post a month late now, but I just wanted to say a big thank you for this article! 

The whole idea is fascinating to me. Do you have examples of library web sites/systems that are implementing any form of social proof at this point? Has anything been shown or are there any case studies that have been done for library sites or OPACs that have &quot;favorites&quot; or reviews enabled within the system?

This also reminds me of the EBay example of social proof. How do we choose from which vendor to purchase? Well, we choose those who have the best user ratings. 

I understand you&#039;re talking here about a more technological model of social proof, but the idea comes from the same place. 

Great post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to your post a month late now, but I just wanted to say a big thank you for this article! </p>
<p>The whole idea is fascinating to me. Do you have examples of library web sites/systems that are implementing any form of social proof at this point? Has anything been shown or are there any case studies that have been done for library sites or OPACs that have &#8220;favorites&#8221; or reviews enabled within the system?</p>
<p>This also reminds me of the EBay example of social proof. How do we choose from which vendor to purchase? Well, we choose those who have the best user ratings. </p>
<p>I understand you&#8217;re talking here about a more technological model of social proof, but the idea comes from the same place. </p>
<p>Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Social Proof: A Tool for Determining Authority — cafedave.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Proof: A Tool for Determining Authority — cafedave.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Social Proof: A Tool for Determining Authority - a librarian discusses how it might be possible to apply offline methods for determining trust in a source to websites and other online phenomena. With bibliography! [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Social Proof: A Tool for Determining Authority &#8211; a librarian discusses how it might be possible to apply offline methods for determining trust in a source to websites and other online phenomena. With bibliography! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Breeze</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Breeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reference!

You present an interesting and complex perspective. I am keen to do some more thinking about this in order to create a set of guidelines on creating social media.

From the social perspective, it would seem that the perceived credibility of a person on Twitter, for example, strongly affects the likelihood that they would be followed. &#039;Following&#039; someone is a judgement based on the follower/followed ratio, user profile text, presence of a profile link, the graphics of the Twitter profile page and content of the tweets visible on a the page at the time it is seen. Not to mention the fact that someone is well known then they are likely to get a lot of followers.

It is also interesting to note with Twitter, the herd mentality is not as simple as it seems. If you have a lot of followers/following then a judgement must be made on why this is so? Are you simply marketing or are you actually popular?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference!</p>
<p>You present an interesting and complex perspective. I am keen to do some more thinking about this in order to create a set of guidelines on creating social media.</p>
<p>From the social perspective, it would seem that the perceived credibility of a person on Twitter, for example, strongly affects the likelihood that they would be followed. &#8216;Following&#8217; someone is a judgement based on the follower/followed ratio, user profile text, presence of a profile link, the graphics of the Twitter profile page and content of the tweets visible on a the page at the time it is seen. Not to mention the fact that someone is well known then they are likely to get a lot of followers.</p>
<p>It is also interesting to note with Twitter, the herd mentality is not as simple as it seems. If you have a lot of followers/following then a judgement must be made on why this is so? Are you simply marketing or are you actually popular?</p>
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		<title>By: L. D. Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2009/social-proof-a-tool-for-determining-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>L. D. Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This might help explain the continuing disconnect between library USAGE and library FUNDING, as reported in the ALA&#039;s most recent State of America&#039;s Libraries report....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might help explain the continuing disconnect between library USAGE and library FUNDING, as reported in the ALA&#8217;s most recent State of America&#8217;s Libraries report&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2009/social-proof-a-tool-for-determining-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Steve,

What an engaging read -- my compliments (and thank you for including PostRank). :) Particularly interesting to me since, as you can imagine, we spend a LOT of time talking among ourselves and with the user community about the nature of authority, influence, and engagement. Fascinating to be involved in an environment while we&#039;re trying to write definitions for things we&#039;re immersed in daily.

A couple of clarifications about how PostRank works. PostRank scores change quickly because the metrics are gathered/analyzed in real-time. 

So when a post is just published, no one&#039;s engaged with it yet, so it&#039;ll score a 1.0. But as soon as people start engaging with it -- comments, bookmarks, tweets, etc. -- its score starts to rise (compared with the performance of other recent posts on the site). 

If the scoring didn&#039;t change with the metrics, the scores wouldn&#039;t be accurate or very useful. And if they didn&#039;t change very fast they wouldn&#039;t be very useful to those who must regularly monitor. 

Not to mention the fact that ~50% of posts&#039; engagement happens within the first 50 minutes post-publishing, and you can&#039;t engage with your audience while the conversations are going on if you don&#039;t know where and when.

Of course, at the same time, we don&#039;t continue to check for metrics indefinitely, but have calculated an engagement curve to determine typical engagement velocity of posts.

Secondly, we&#039;re definitely aware of the digg/slashdot/re-tweet/insert-your-own-viral-experience effect, and so have made sure to weight for it in our algorithms. 

If we didn&#039;t, as you noted, it would torpedo the rankings of posts in a similar time frame and would make the rankings about as balanced as me comparing my blog&#039;s engagement to TechCrunch&#039;s. (Which is why we don&#039;t compare to other sites, either, in determining a site&#039;s posts&#039; metrics.)

Hope that helps. If any of that isn&#039;t clear, or you have any questions, feel free to let me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>What an engaging read &#8212; my compliments (and thank you for including PostRank). :) Particularly interesting to me since, as you can imagine, we spend a LOT of time talking among ourselves and with the user community about the nature of authority, influence, and engagement. Fascinating to be involved in an environment while we&#8217;re trying to write definitions for things we&#8217;re immersed in daily.</p>
<p>A couple of clarifications about how PostRank works. PostRank scores change quickly because the metrics are gathered/analyzed in real-time. </p>
<p>So when a post is just published, no one&#8217;s engaged with it yet, so it&#8217;ll score a 1.0. But as soon as people start engaging with it &#8212; comments, bookmarks, tweets, etc. &#8212; its score starts to rise (compared with the performance of other recent posts on the site). </p>
<p>If the scoring didn&#8217;t change with the metrics, the scores wouldn&#8217;t be accurate or very useful. And if they didn&#8217;t change very fast they wouldn&#8217;t be very useful to those who must regularly monitor. </p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that ~50% of posts&#8217; engagement happens within the first 50 minutes post-publishing, and you can&#8217;t engage with your audience while the conversations are going on if you don&#8217;t know where and when.</p>
<p>Of course, at the same time, we don&#8217;t continue to check for metrics indefinitely, but have calculated an engagement curve to determine typical engagement velocity of posts.</p>
<p>Secondly, we&#8217;re definitely aware of the digg/slashdot/re-tweet/insert-your-own-viral-experience effect, and so have made sure to weight for it in our algorithms. </p>
<p>If we didn&#8217;t, as you noted, it would torpedo the rankings of posts in a similar time frame and would make the rankings about as balanced as me comparing my blog&#8217;s engagement to TechCrunch&#8217;s. (Which is why we don&#8217;t compare to other sites, either, in determining a site&#8217;s posts&#8217; metrics.)</p>
<p>Hope that helps. If any of that isn&#8217;t clear, or you have any questions, feel free to let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McCann</title>
		<link>http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2009/social-proof-a-tool-for-determining-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve McCann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Peter, you&#039;re right that is where I found the quote. We&#039;ll try to get the post updated, but in the meantime here&#039;s the citation: 

Shirky, Clay. 2008. It&#039;s Not Information Overload. It&#039;s Filter Failure. Web 2.0 Expo 2008. New York, NY ed.O&#039;Reilly Media, Inc. and TechWeb. Available from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.web2expo.com/webexny2008/public/schedule/detail/4817&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.web2expo.com/webexny2008/public/schedule/detail/4817&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s a great notion and I&#039;m surprised he hasn&#039;t published it anywhere (as far as I can tell).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter, you&#8217;re right that is where I found the quote. We&#8217;ll try to get the post updated, but in the meantime here&#8217;s the citation: </p>
<p>Shirky, Clay. 2008. It&#8217;s Not Information Overload. It&#8217;s Filter Failure. Web 2.0 Expo 2008. New York, NY ed.O&#8217;Reilly Media, Inc. and TechWeb. Available from <a href="http://www.web2expo.com/webexny2008/public/schedule/detail/4817" rel="nofollow">http://www.web2expo.com/webexny2008/public/schedule/detail/4817</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great notion and I&#8217;m surprised he hasn&#8217;t published it anywhere (as far as I can tell).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You missed the citation for Shirky&#039;s information filtering quote in the bibliography.  I was wondering if it was his &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.oreilly.com/webexny2008/public/schedule/detail/4817&quot; title=&quot;It&#039;s Not Information Overload. It&#039;s Filter Failure.: Web 2.0 Expo New York 2008 - Co-produced by TechWeb &amp; O&#039;Reilly Conferences, September 16 - 19, 2008, New York, NY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Not Information Overload.  It&#039;s Filter Failure&lt;/a&gt;&quot; talk at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.web2expo.com/&quot; title=&quot;Web 2.0 Expo homepage&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Web 2.0 Expo&lt;/a&gt; last year.  I &lt;a href=&quot;http://dltj.org/article/clay-shirky-on-information-filters/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote about that&lt;/a&gt; in my own blog.  I&#039;m asking because I&#039;m interested to see if he developed this notion further than he took it in that presentation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the citation for Shirky&#8217;s information filtering quote in the bibliography.  I was wondering if it was his &#8220;<a href="http://en.oreilly.com/webexny2008/public/schedule/detail/4817" title="It's Not Information Overload. It's Filter Failure.: Web 2.0 Expo New York 2008 - Co-produced by TechWeb &amp;amp; O'Reilly Conferences, September 16 - 19, 2008, New York, NY" rel="nofollow">It&#8217;s Not Information Overload.  It&#8217;s Filter Failure</a>&#8221; talk at the <a href="http://www.web2expo.com/" title="Web 2.0 Expo homepage" rel="nofollow">Web 2.0 Expo</a> last year.  I <a href="http://dltj.org/article/clay-shirky-on-information-filters/" rel="nofollow">wrote about that</a> in my own blog.  I&#8217;m asking because I&#8217;m interested to see if he developed this notion further than he took it in that presentation.</p>
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