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		<title>By: Link Roundup: July 2009 &#124; Melissa Fortson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link Roundup: July 2009 &#124; Melissa Fortson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What Not to Do When Applying for Library Jobs &#124; In the Library with the Lead Pipe [...]</description>
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		<title>By: On the Hunt &#124; meLISsa BLOG &#124; Melissa Fortson</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the Hunt &#124; meLISsa BLOG &#124; Melissa Fortson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] searching related to the organization of electronic portfolios. One of my favorite discoveries was What Not to Do When Applying for Library Jobs.  In this June 2009 In The Library with the Lead Pipe post, the authors offer practical advice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] searching related to the organization of electronic portfolios. One of my favorite discoveries was What Not to Do When Applying for Library Jobs.  In this June 2009 In The Library with the Lead Pipe post, the authors offer practical advice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a partial answer - I would say that anything you can do to get a personal introduction helps. The informal interviews I&#039;ve agreed to have all been students that first asked to observe me teach through someone else - either a friend or a former professor. So I&#039;d suggest reaching out to former classmates/professors/association members/friends to get some kind of personal connection into the request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a partial answer &#8211; I would say that anything you can do to get a personal introduction helps. The informal interviews I&#8217;ve agreed to have all been students that first asked to observe me teach through someone else &#8211; either a friend or a former professor. So I&#8217;d suggest reaching out to former classmates/professors/association members/friends to get some kind of personal connection into the request.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post - I&#039;ve read it three or four times since it was written, searching for new angles I should be covering (or not covering, as the case may be) in my job search.  

Could you address the issue of informational interviews in more detail, maybe even in its own post?  I&#039;m job hunting in a brand new city with no network of my own.  The emails I&#039;ve sent asking for informational interviews have gone unanswered.  Do you have any tips on how to even get an informational interview set up? I have started to wonder if it&#039;s a foreign concept to most librarians (too &quot;businessy&quot; maybe?) or if it&#039;s only appropriate if you&#039;re still in grad school or a very recent grad (which I&#039;m not).  In a particularly worried moment, I wondered if it was a major faux pas to be requesting informational interviews at places which have jobs open you can&#039;t apply for.  And then there&#039;s the question of who do you try to contact, the person who has the kind of job you&#039;d like or the person who supervises that position?

I could go on and on about what I&#039;ve tried so far, but those questions should give sense of what I (and others) would be interested in hearing.  

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post &#8211; I&#8217;ve read it three or four times since it was written, searching for new angles I should be covering (or not covering, as the case may be) in my job search.  </p>
<p>Could you address the issue of informational interviews in more detail, maybe even in its own post?  I&#8217;m job hunting in a brand new city with no network of my own.  The emails I&#8217;ve sent asking for informational interviews have gone unanswered.  Do you have any tips on how to even get an informational interview set up? I have started to wonder if it&#8217;s a foreign concept to most librarians (too &#8220;businessy&#8221; maybe?) or if it&#8217;s only appropriate if you&#8217;re still in grad school or a very recent grad (which I&#8217;m not).  In a particularly worried moment, I wondered if it was a major faux pas to be requesting informational interviews at places which have jobs open you can&#8217;t apply for.  And then there&#8217;s the question of who do you try to contact, the person who has the kind of job you&#8217;d like or the person who supervises that position?</p>
<p>I could go on and on about what I&#8217;ve tried so far, but those questions should give sense of what I (and others) would be interested in hearing.  </p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until you have a written offer or are into a recognizable progression of events (confirmed date to start, where to report your first day, forms to be processed, fingerpring procedure, etc.), you do not yet have a job.  In this economic climate, which seems to be a rerun of 1971-73, 1981-82, 1990-1992, etc., interviewing and networking are part of our profession&#039;s &quot;practice,&quot; so keep at it! Academic libraries&#039; interview committees can become discouraged if freezes are declared midway during successive recruiting cycles. They&#039;ve invested a lot of work already, and don&#039;t even get to meet any candidates.  Hang in there, everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until you have a written offer or are into a recognizable progression of events (confirmed date to start, where to report your first day, forms to be processed, fingerpring procedure, etc.), you do not yet have a job.  In this economic climate, which seems to be a rerun of 1971-73, 1981-82, 1990-1992, etc., interviewing and networking are part of our profession&#8217;s &#8220;practice,&#8221; so keep at it! Academic libraries&#8217; interview committees can become discouraged if freezes are declared midway during successive recruiting cycles. They&#8217;ve invested a lot of work already, and don&#8217;t even get to meet any candidates.  Hang in there, everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Derik Badman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derik Badman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So please stop recruiting people for library jobs and acting so happy happy happy. I don’t need to put on my smiley face.&quot;

Joyce, this post is not meant as recruiting (I don&#039;t think any of us are in the position to be hiring anyone), but as advice for those seeking jobs. We realize the job market can be tough, and offer our post as advice in an effort to assist job applicants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So please stop recruiting people for library jobs and acting so happy happy happy. I don’t need to put on my smiley face.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joyce, this post is not meant as recruiting (I don&#8217;t think any of us are in the position to be hiring anyone), but as advice for those seeking jobs. We realize the job market can be tough, and offer our post as advice in an effort to assist job applicants.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I find the post &quot;inspirational&quot; and it seems that all people posting about applying for librarian jobs are absolutely &quot;chirpy&quot; the realty is there is no shortage and deciding to apply is a necessity. I am watching my daughter who has had much experience attempt to even land an interview. she is currently working as a paraprofessional, had experience undergrad with the college archivist, did an internship in the college library and in grad school did quite well. So please stop recruiting people for library jobs and acting so happy happy happy. I don&#039;t need to put on my smiley face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I find the post &#8220;inspirational&#8221; and it seems that all people posting about applying for librarian jobs are absolutely &#8220;chirpy&#8221; the realty is there is no shortage and deciding to apply is a necessity. I am watching my daughter who has had much experience attempt to even land an interview. she is currently working as a paraprofessional, had experience undergrad with the college archivist, did an internship in the college library and in grad school did quite well. So please stop recruiting people for library jobs and acting so happy happy happy. I don&#8217;t need to put on my smiley face.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different people have different advice. We&#039;ve conveniently collected it all in one place for you :)

Speaking for myself, I&#039;m just passing on the rants I&#039;ve heard from coworkers when they see people with MLSs applying for circulation positions. Of course there are people with MLSs in circulation positions, so not every place of employment has the same view. 

I would certainly suggest addressing your over-qualification in your cover letter, since the implicit message without any further information is likely to come across as, &quot;I want a job, any job to get something on my resume and/or to be able to move to this city and as soon as something better comes along I&#039;m gone,&quot; which is unlikely to add points in your favor. 

Joan offered the more standard advice - go ahead and apply for everything, you never know. Then Derik and I offered our responses - a little stretch may be fine, but let&#039;s not get carried away here... 

There&#039;s also a difference between the required and the preferred qualifications sections. Typically HR will not even pass on the resumes that do not meet the mandatory requirements (e.g. an MLS), and if they do leave the weeding of resumes to the library, they still won&#039;t let you hire someone who doesn&#039;t meet the stated minimum qualifications in the job description. Plus the library hiring committee will sit there sifting through the resumes growing more frustrated with each one that doesn&#039;t meet the requirements, wondering why these people applied for something that clearly stated it required 5 years of supervisory experience when they have 0. Now, on the other hand, if the job description states 2 years experience in the preferred qualification category but none in the required, then by all means, go for it. That is probably a library like Joan&#039;s that is looking to hire new graduates. Don&#039;t worry if you don&#039;t have all the preferred qualifications. 

And an additional caveat - everything I just said is coming purely from an academic library perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different people have different advice. We&#8217;ve conveniently collected it all in one place for you :)</p>
<p>Speaking for myself, I&#8217;m just passing on the rants I&#8217;ve heard from coworkers when they see people with MLSs applying for circulation positions. Of course there are people with MLSs in circulation positions, so not every place of employment has the same view. </p>
<p>I would certainly suggest addressing your over-qualification in your cover letter, since the implicit message without any further information is likely to come across as, &#8220;I want a job, any job to get something on my resume and/or to be able to move to this city and as soon as something better comes along I&#8217;m gone,&#8221; which is unlikely to add points in your favor. </p>
<p>Joan offered the more standard advice &#8211; go ahead and apply for everything, you never know. Then Derik and I offered our responses &#8211; a little stretch may be fine, but let&#8217;s not get carried away here&#8230; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a difference between the required and the preferred qualifications sections. Typically HR will not even pass on the resumes that do not meet the mandatory requirements (e.g. an MLS), and if they do leave the weeding of resumes to the library, they still won&#8217;t let you hire someone who doesn&#8217;t meet the stated minimum qualifications in the job description. Plus the library hiring committee will sit there sifting through the resumes growing more frustrated with each one that doesn&#8217;t meet the requirements, wondering why these people applied for something that clearly stated it required 5 years of supervisory experience when they have 0. Now, on the other hand, if the job description states 2 years experience in the preferred qualification category but none in the required, then by all means, go for it. That is probably a library like Joan&#8217;s that is looking to hire new graduates. Don&#8217;t worry if you don&#8217;t have all the preferred qualifications. </p>
<p>And an additional caveat &#8211; everything I just said is coming purely from an academic library perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: fearful o'ire</title>
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		<dc:creator>fearful o'ire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting contradictions in this overall helpful piece.

3 sequential recommendations:

1. go for stretch positions. don&#039;t fret about being underqualified- Joan Bernstein
2. for god&#039;s sake, don&#039;t apply for positions for which you&#039;re underqualified - Derik
3. know what&#039;s almost as bad as lacking experience? too much experience! you&#039;ll piss people off if you try to get your foot in the door by applying for a position for which you&#039;re overqualified. - Ellie

apologies for the rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting contradictions in this overall helpful piece.</p>
<p>3 sequential recommendations:</p>
<p>1. go for stretch positions. don&#8217;t fret about being underqualified- Joan Bernstein<br />
2. for god&#8217;s sake, don&#8217;t apply for positions for which you&#8217;re underqualified &#8211; Derik<br />
3. know what&#8217;s almost as bad as lacking experience? too much experience! you&#8217;ll piss people off if you try to get your foot in the door by applying for a position for which you&#8217;re overqualified. &#8211; Ellie</p>
<p>apologies for the rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Dina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I came across this, I am getting ready to embark on my MLIS. In the meantime, I have applied for several shelver positions and have assumed my 20 years of corporate experience will translate into the skills I need to have, particularly when the job posting only require high school level experience. As of yet I have not gotten a single call. I fear over-qualification has been my nemesis although I think my cover letters have conveyed my reasoning and passion for wanting to work in the ligrary system, as well as, demonstrated how my skills are transferrable. Maybe you can help me out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I came across this, I am getting ready to embark on my MLIS. In the meantime, I have applied for several shelver positions and have assumed my 20 years of corporate experience will translate into the skills I need to have, particularly when the job posting only require high school level experience. As of yet I have not gotten a single call. I fear over-qualification has been my nemesis although I think my cover letters have conveyed my reasoning and passion for wanting to work in the ligrary system, as well as, demonstrated how my skills are transferrable. Maybe you can help me out?</p>
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