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		<title>By: Our S&#38;M Relationship With Rihanna &#171; hiphopocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our S&#38;M Relationship With Rihanna &#171; hiphopocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Helen Petersen explains that &#8220;Stardom is a particularly potent form of celebrity. … [a] star is formed when [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Loving Kimye: An Exploration (part II) &#171; hiphopocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loving Kimye: An Exploration (part II) &#171; hiphopocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and why care about Kimye when there are Mr. and Mrs. Sean Carter? For the first question I used the work of star studies scholar Anne Helen Petersen to suggest, as she does, that &#8220;when we&#8217;re [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Loving Kimye: An Exploration (part I) &#171; hiphopocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loving Kimye: An Exploration (part I) &#171; hiphopocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] my beau&#8217;s pained question: wherefore the love for a celebrity? In her introductory article, &#8220;What We Talk About When We Talk About Brangelina,&#8221; the excellent star studies scholar Anne Helen Petersen explains star formation  (hint: when [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jean Costello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Anne - sorry I missed your reply and am weighing in late.

Whenever I argue for discernment, library folks usually reject it. Seems you have done so too by lumping together a variety of periodicals and types. They also dismiss my conceptions of library mission/purpose/practice by branding them elitist or reducing their scope to something narrow and indefensible. My notions of library go beyond what you characterized in your reply so I&#039;m going to take another bite at the apple.

In essence, I believe we support libraries to provide knowledge resources/services we cannot provide for ourselves. In the age of scarcity this might have meant access to a librarian who could read and write, when most of the general population could not. It might also have meant acquiring a full set of encyclopedias or newspapers from farway places - things that were beyond the reach (due to awareness and/or funding) for most individuals. Public education and the internet have raised the bar and though the information landscape has changed dramatically since libraries took root in America, I believe the library mission is the same. 

If I were a library leader, I&#039;d be asking &quot;what knowledge and information services can libraries provide today that are not readily available elsewhere?&quot; Materials like &lt;i&gt;People Magazine&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;50 Shades of Gray&lt;/i&gt; are readily available and receive widespread promotion. The same cannot be said for feminist quarterlies and some of the other materials you listed. Discernment is also scarce. Most other information distributors or sources (supermarkets, Amazon, newspapers, TV talk shows, etc) are going to push whatever sells, and in a superficial way. IMO, libraries should provide an alternative to this by curating a collection based on thoughtful standards.

A curated collection is valuable, to be sure - but so is the selection process. I never fail to be educated and enriched when librarians engage the topic of collection development with me and we drill into various genres, criteria, dimensions and dilemmas. The knowledge, range of concerns and frankly integrity that librarians bring to these matters is what is scarce today. It is a key component of their unique value-add and it pains me when people in the library community say things like &quot;we&#039;re just giving people what they want&quot; or &quot;you can&#039;t assess quality because one man&#039;s trash is another&#039;s treasure&quot;.

The other argument I often get is that there is no public appetite for discernment. I disagree based on the large audiences for public broadcasting, content like TED talks &amp; blogs on special topics, etc. Loads of people want to engage around civic issues &amp; rich artistic and cultural content. Most public libraries have positioned themselves differently and aren&#039;t attracting patrons with those interests. It&#039;s a mistake however to take this as a sign that the public interest isn&#039;t there.

In summary, I promote libraries providing what people cannot easily get elsewhere. The dialogue &amp; insights you&#039;ve offered about your research do this; &lt;i&gt;People Magazine&lt;/i&gt; as an uncontextualized artifact does not. Similarly, selection and promotion of a psycho/sexual non-fiction work that is well-written, has strong plot &amp; characters, extends the boundaries of the genre, is perhaps written by a promising author whose work has not received much attention  do this. Circulating &lt;i&gt;50 Shades of Gray&lt;/i&gt; and letting it drive so much conversation in the library world does not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne &#8211; sorry I missed your reply and am weighing in late.</p>
<p>Whenever I argue for discernment, library folks usually reject it. Seems you have done so too by lumping together a variety of periodicals and types. They also dismiss my conceptions of library mission/purpose/practice by branding them elitist or reducing their scope to something narrow and indefensible. My notions of library go beyond what you characterized in your reply so I&#8217;m going to take another bite at the apple.</p>
<p>In essence, I believe we support libraries to provide knowledge resources/services we cannot provide for ourselves. In the age of scarcity this might have meant access to a librarian who could read and write, when most of the general population could not. It might also have meant acquiring a full set of encyclopedias or newspapers from farway places &#8211; things that were beyond the reach (due to awareness and/or funding) for most individuals. Public education and the internet have raised the bar and though the information landscape has changed dramatically since libraries took root in America, I believe the library mission is the same. </p>
<p>If I were a library leader, I&#8217;d be asking &#8220;what knowledge and information services can libraries provide today that are not readily available elsewhere?&#8221; Materials like <i>People Magazine</i> and <i>50 Shades of Gray</i> are readily available and receive widespread promotion. The same cannot be said for feminist quarterlies and some of the other materials you listed. Discernment is also scarce. Most other information distributors or sources (supermarkets, Amazon, newspapers, TV talk shows, etc) are going to push whatever sells, and in a superficial way. IMO, libraries should provide an alternative to this by curating a collection based on thoughtful standards.</p>
<p>A curated collection is valuable, to be sure &#8211; but so is the selection process. I never fail to be educated and enriched when librarians engage the topic of collection development with me and we drill into various genres, criteria, dimensions and dilemmas. The knowledge, range of concerns and frankly integrity that librarians bring to these matters is what is scarce today. It is a key component of their unique value-add and it pains me when people in the library community say things like &#8220;we&#8217;re just giving people what they want&#8221; or &#8220;you can&#8217;t assess quality because one man&#8217;s trash is another&#8217;s treasure&#8221;.</p>
<p>The other argument I often get is that there is no public appetite for discernment. I disagree based on the large audiences for public broadcasting, content like TED talks &amp; blogs on special topics, etc. Loads of people want to engage around civic issues &amp; rich artistic and cultural content. Most public libraries have positioned themselves differently and aren&#8217;t attracting patrons with those interests. It&#8217;s a mistake however to take this as a sign that the public interest isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>In summary, I promote libraries providing what people cannot easily get elsewhere. The dialogue &amp; insights you&#8217;ve offered about your research do this; <i>People Magazine</i> as an uncontextualized artifact does not. Similarly, selection and promotion of a psycho/sexual non-fiction work that is well-written, has strong plot &amp; characters, extends the boundaries of the genre, is perhaps written by a promising author whose work has not received much attention  do this. Circulating <i>50 Shades of Gray</i> and letting it drive so much conversation in the library world does not.</p>
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		<title>By: I made this for you! &#171; these are the thoughts that fall out of my head</title>
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		<dc:creator>I made this for you! &#171; these are the thoughts that fall out of my head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] What We Talk About When We Talk About Brad and Angelina. Librarians + Celebrity = AWESOME! [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: someone else&#8217;s blog: In the LIbraty With the Lead Pipe &#171; studiumlibrarios</title>
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		<dc:creator>someone else&#8217;s blog: In the LIbraty With the Lead Pipe &#171; studiumlibrarios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] An interesting article about the role of &#8220;celebrity gossip&#8221; in a library setup. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Anne Beech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Beech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a secondary teacher (currently studying for my Masters in Information Management), I agree that popular culture and celebrity gossip magazines can be used alongside other information sources. These magazines are familiar to students and provide a contemporary context in which to approach issues in historical or literary texts. Given the ‘cult of celebrity’ that seems to enthrall much of society, I think it is important that students are given the tools to become critically aware readers of these publications. 

It was not that long ago that comics (as they were once called) were considered to be not that significant. Now, most libraries proudly promote their collection of ‘graphic novels’ and these texts are also finding a place in the curriculum. Perhaps the gossip magazine will experience the same fate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a secondary teacher (currently studying for my Masters in Information Management), I agree that popular culture and celebrity gossip magazines can be used alongside other information sources. These magazines are familiar to students and provide a contemporary context in which to approach issues in historical or literary texts. Given the ‘cult of celebrity’ that seems to enthrall much of society, I think it is important that students are given the tools to become critically aware readers of these publications. </p>
<p>It was not that long ago that comics (as they were once called) were considered to be not that significant. Now, most libraries proudly promote their collection of ‘graphic novels’ and these texts are also finding a place in the curriculum. Perhaps the gossip magazine will experience the same fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the differences between magazines like US Weekly and People and magazines like Ladies Home Journal and even Vanity Fair is that the former profit from the direct invasion of real people&#039;s lives--people that tolerate but on the whole do not ask for this treatment. You write that &quot;celebrities are no less fictional than characters in novels,&quot; and I know what you mean by that in its context, but the fact is that what an organ publishes about a celebrity has the potential to affect an actual human life, whereas a fictional character has no reality to damage. If there is a danger in all this, it is that the profits of periodicals like US Weekly and People depend on highlighting, magnifying, and often enough distorting the personal lives of real people. This is harmful. Ladies Home Journal does not harm to that extent. I&#039;d argue that neither does Sports Illustrated. 

My point, I guess, is to suggest that there is an element of invasion, of profit at the expense of a real life, inherent to celebrity mags like US Weekly and, to she extent, People. A library&#039;s unqualified inclusion of these magazines might not represent an implicit endorsement of this kind of behavior, but it would seem to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the differences between magazines like US Weekly and People and magazines like Ladies Home Journal and even Vanity Fair is that the former profit from the direct invasion of real people&#8217;s lives&#8211;people that tolerate but on the whole do not ask for this treatment. You write that &#8220;celebrities are no less fictional than characters in novels,&#8221; and I know what you mean by that in its context, but the fact is that what an organ publishes about a celebrity has the potential to affect an actual human life, whereas a fictional character has no reality to damage. If there is a danger in all this, it is that the profits of periodicals like US Weekly and People depend on highlighting, magnifying, and often enough distorting the personal lives of real people. This is harmful. Ladies Home Journal does not harm to that extent. I&#8217;d argue that neither does Sports Illustrated. </p>
<p>My point, I guess, is to suggest that there is an element of invasion, of profit at the expense of a real life, inherent to celebrity mags like US Weekly and, to she extent, People. A library&#8217;s unqualified inclusion of these magazines might not represent an implicit endorsement of this kind of behavior, but it would seem to.</p>
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		<title>By: The Librarian With No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Librarian With No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 21:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fun fact: reading a thoughtful article questioning the traditional prejudices of collection development is acceptable reference desk behavior. However, and this is important, having a second tab open with the title &quot;Britney Spears Gallery - Sexy Topless Photos of Britney Spears&quot; can lead to an awkward conversation with your manager.

I&#039;m just glad she knows who Klosterman is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun fact: reading a thoughtful article questioning the traditional prejudices of collection development is acceptable reference desk behavior. However, and this is important, having a second tab open with the title &#8220;Britney Spears Gallery &#8211; Sexy Topless Photos of Britney Spears&#8221; can lead to an awkward conversation with your manager.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just glad she knows who Klosterman is.</p>
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		<title>By: Lane Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lane Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 14:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re arguing that a text has merit in a library collection, if it (1) provides a means for understanding cultural norms and (2) offers distinct and discernible pleasure. You&#039;re right that this should rule out Taco Bell receipts. But, the addition seems ad hoc: distinct and discernible pleasure is not generally a factor when we collect information sources (though it may be relevant when collecting fiction). So, while I agree that gossip mags may offer pleasure, I fail to see how that&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;relevant&lt;/i&gt; distinction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re arguing that a text has merit in a library collection, if it (1) provides a means for understanding cultural norms and (2) offers distinct and discernible pleasure. You&#8217;re right that this should rule out Taco Bell receipts. But, the addition seems ad hoc: distinct and discernible pleasure is not generally a factor when we collect information sources (though it may be relevant when collecting fiction). So, while I agree that gossip mags may offer pleasure, I fail to see how that&#8217;s a <i>relevant</i> distinction.</p>
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