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	<description>The murder victim? Your library assumptions. Suspects? It could have been any of us.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by Danna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Kathleen - a post on upward mobility in the library world would be interesting and informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kathleen &#8211; a post on upward mobility in the library world would be interesting and informative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see a post on planning for upward mobility in the library world... Training to schedule, additional education, how to find a mentor, etc. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see a post on planning for upward mobility in the library world&#8230; Training to schedule, additional education, how to find a mentor, etc. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by Derik Badman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derik Badman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Virginia, an excellent point. My Firefox Accessibilty Extension does note the contrast is too low on most of our links. When I designed the site I hadn&#039;t learned much about web accessibility issues (I&#039;ve learned a lot lately for my work). I&#039;ll put it on my todo list to see if I can come up with better contrasting link colors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Virginia, an excellent point. My Firefox Accessibilty Extension does note the contrast is too low on most of our links. When I designed the site I hadn&#8217;t learned much about web accessibility issues (I&#8217;ve learned a lot lately for my work). I&#8217;ll put it on my todo list to see if I can come up with better contrasting link colors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a neither newish nor youngish librarian, I really enjoy reading your blog. However your color scheme is hard on aging eyes. There simply isn&#039;t enough contrast on the link colors. (It probably doesn&#039;t help that my monitor is also neither newish nor youngish.) 
Other than that, keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a neither newish nor youngish librarian, I really enjoy reading your blog. However your color scheme is hard on aging eyes. There simply isn&#8217;t enough contrast on the link colors. (It probably doesn&#8217;t help that my monitor is also neither newish nor youngish.)<br />
Other than that, keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a series of articles discussing local special libraries and their issues?

Also, I&#039;d like to nominate the author of this blog as a guest (or perhaps regular) blogger: http://deweysnotdead.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a series of articles discussing local special libraries and their issues?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d like to nominate the author of this blog as a guest (or perhaps regular) blogger: <a href="http://deweysnotdead.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://deweysnotdead.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why isn&#8217;t a picture worth a thousand words? by Dog Pedigree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dog Pedigree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cerontek Dog Pedigree Component is ideal for running your own dog website. You can maintain a large dog pedigree database and share it with the world! Our dog pedigree component is built for Joomla 1.5 sites and features 4 doglist layouts, dog gallery, dog profile with generation chart, dog tips, dog breeds, dog names and more. The dog pedigree component provide user tools to add/edit and manage dog profiles. Also the pedigree component bundlepack comes 9 cool modules to enhance user experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cerontek Dog Pedigree Component is ideal for running your own dog website. You can maintain a large dog pedigree database and share it with the world! Our dog pedigree component is built for Joomla 1.5 sites and features 4 doglist layouts, dog gallery, dog profile with generation chart, dog tips, dog breeds, dog names and more. The dog pedigree component provide user tools to add/edit and manage dog profiles. Also the pedigree component bundlepack comes 9 cool modules to enhance user experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by anonylib</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonylib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 04:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something about how newish librarians moving into management and managing librarians who have been in their positions for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something about how newish librarians moving into management and managing librarians who have been in their positions for decades.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our Blog is Your Blog by Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 02:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see a blog post that addresses both the attitude of librarians who really do NOT want to move forward and how that&#039;s detrimental to the communities they serve.  Maybe also something about the growth of library science as a program but the lack of jobs when students graduate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a blog post that addresses both the attitude of librarians who really do NOT want to move forward and how that&#8217;s detrimental to the communities they serve.  Maybe also something about the growth of library science as a program but the lack of jobs when students graduate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marketing Search: An Interview with Pete Bell of Endeca and Gabriel Weinberg of DuckDuckGo by Brett Bonfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bonfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ellie. I agree with everything you wrote, and wish my response had been as clear and nonconfrontational as yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ellie. I agree with everything you wrote, and wish my response had been as clear and nonconfrontational as yours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marketing Search: An Interview with Pete Bell of Endeca and Gabriel Weinberg of DuckDuckGo by ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who really hates business speak, I see both (maybe even more) sides here. 

It&#039;s important to be able to speak to our funders in a language they understand. Business speak is just one of many languages with annoying buzzwords. Education has its own annoying buzzwords. (I&#039;ve seen eyes glaze over when the word pedagogy comes out.) Annoying buzzwords shouldn&#039;t stop us from pulling out whatever valuable information lies beneath them.

I&#039;m lucky to be in an academic institution where the currency is primarily student success (which sometimes draws its own eye rolls) rather than dollars and I&#039;m lucky to not be in a position where it is one of my main responsibilities to be able to justify the library or our funding to higher ups, but I&#039;ve seen some of those conversations in action and it&#039;s important to be able to talk the talk if you want to be able to fund whatever items and activities you are planning to help your community thrive. And it&#039;s a very very different talk depending on who you&#039;re asking for money as Brett explained in his talking to donors article. (http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2010/what-your-donors-and-would-be-donors-wish-you-knew/)

The other aspect that I think is important is that the business sector has been studying and publishing on these topics and has valuable research that we can learn from. As much as I might instinctively dislike terms like branding, marketing, and PR, the fact remains there are better and worse ways to interact with your patrons and if people are hiding those better ways under terms I don&#039;t like, I&#039;m the only one who loses by ignoring them.

That said, I also agree you can lose your staff if you switch over to using the same annoying buzzwords with them. I signed up for a certain type of job which was distinctly not business focused and am much more likely to be motivated by language and systems of evaluation that play to my beliefs in what a library is and should be. 

There will always be articles and books saying how we all need to do X, and taking on a more profit sector approach has had its turn as X. I think it&#039;s that &quot;we all need to&quot; approach that turns normal words into those annoying buzzwords. I hope in general, you won&#039;t find those &quot;you must&quot; admonitions here. We tend to fall into, &quot;is there anything we can learn from X and apply to libraries?&quot; I&#039;ll call back to Char&#039;s recent post about librarian as shapeshifter. (http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2010/librarians-as-__________-shapeshifting-at-the-periphery/) I think it&#039;s valuable to be able to understand as many approaches to a situation and motivators of people as possible so we can be more informed about what is likely to give us the results we want. 

Broadly speaking, in order for these two entrepreneurs to succeed, they need to have a product that people use (that would be true whether they&#039;re for profit or not). So their discussion of user behavior in terms of information seeking is interesting to me. In particular I like the idea of making user feedback at the point of the problem (on our website in particular) a simpler process. I just looked, and once you&#039;re in my library&#039;s catalog there is no button to ask a librarian or provide feedback. Providing search may be only one of the many things we do, but it is something we do and I&#039;m happy to see how others approach it and what I can learn from them. Now I need the next article to be on working with committees to implement the cool things we learn.... (Great recent Shelf Check on this - http://www.toondoo.com/cartoon/1998046)

So Caleb, I&#039;m with you that I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the only way we should frame ourselves, but I do think that we shouldn&#039;t ignore good research that we can use. Thanks Brett for the interesting questions and Gabriel and Pete for taking the time to answer them. I&#039;ve already sent the article, highlighting the natural feedback section to our web team. 

On a more personal geeky level, I love the precision v. recall discussion. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who really hates business speak, I see both (maybe even more) sides here. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to be able to speak to our funders in a language they understand. Business speak is just one of many languages with annoying buzzwords. Education has its own annoying buzzwords. (I&#8217;ve seen eyes glaze over when the word pedagogy comes out.) Annoying buzzwords shouldn&#8217;t stop us from pulling out whatever valuable information lies beneath them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m lucky to be in an academic institution where the currency is primarily student success (which sometimes draws its own eye rolls) rather than dollars and I&#8217;m lucky to not be in a position where it is one of my main responsibilities to be able to justify the library or our funding to higher ups, but I&#8217;ve seen some of those conversations in action and it&#8217;s important to be able to talk the talk if you want to be able to fund whatever items and activities you are planning to help your community thrive. And it&#8217;s a very very different talk depending on who you&#8217;re asking for money as Brett explained in his talking to donors article. (<a href="http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2010/what-your-donors-and-would-be-donors-wish-you-knew/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2010/what-your-donors-and-would-be-donors-wish-you-knew/</a>)</p>
<p>The other aspect that I think is important is that the business sector has been studying and publishing on these topics and has valuable research that we can learn from. As much as I might instinctively dislike terms like branding, marketing, and PR, the fact remains there are better and worse ways to interact with your patrons and if people are hiding those better ways under terms I don&#8217;t like, I&#8217;m the only one who loses by ignoring them.</p>
<p>That said, I also agree you can lose your staff if you switch over to using the same annoying buzzwords with them. I signed up for a certain type of job which was distinctly not business focused and am much more likely to be motivated by language and systems of evaluation that play to my beliefs in what a library is and should be. </p>
<p>There will always be articles and books saying how we all need to do X, and taking on a more profit sector approach has had its turn as X. I think it&#8217;s that &#8220;we all need to&#8221; approach that turns normal words into those annoying buzzwords. I hope in general, you won&#8217;t find those &#8220;you must&#8221; admonitions here. We tend to fall into, &#8220;is there anything we can learn from X and apply to libraries?&#8221; I&#8217;ll call back to Char&#8217;s recent post about librarian as shapeshifter. (<a href="http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2010/librarians-as-__________-shapeshifting-at-the-periphery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2010/librarians-as-__________-shapeshifting-at-the-periphery/</a>) I think it&#8217;s valuable to be able to understand as many approaches to a situation and motivators of people as possible so we can be more informed about what is likely to give us the results we want. </p>
<p>Broadly speaking, in order for these two entrepreneurs to succeed, they need to have a product that people use (that would be true whether they&#8217;re for profit or not). So their discussion of user behavior in terms of information seeking is interesting to me. In particular I like the idea of making user feedback at the point of the problem (on our website in particular) a simpler process. I just looked, and once you&#8217;re in my library&#8217;s catalog there is no button to ask a librarian or provide feedback. Providing search may be only one of the many things we do, but it is something we do and I&#8217;m happy to see how others approach it and what I can learn from them. Now I need the next article to be on working with committees to implement the cool things we learn&#8230;. (Great recent Shelf Check on this &#8211; <a href="http://www.toondoo.com/cartoon/1998046)" rel="nofollow">http://www.toondoo.com/cartoon/1998046)</a></p>
<p>So Caleb, I&#8217;m with you that I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the only way we should frame ourselves, but I do think that we shouldn&#8217;t ignore good research that we can use. Thanks Brett for the interesting questions and Gabriel and Pete for taking the time to answer them. I&#8217;ve already sent the article, highlighting the natural feedback section to our web team. </p>
<p>On a more personal geeky level, I love the precision v. recall discussion. Thanks again.</p>
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